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August 26, 2010



I think this is awesome. I believe that procurement is a critical obstacle to getting agile into organizations. When we require explicit scope, cost, and timing to be detailed up front in the contract we guarantee we can't get learning and feedback in the product without heavy change management. This "contract" model also exists internal to many organizations where funding won't be approved without an inflexible change management process in place. This is particularly important as more and more software development is being outsourced.

Let's get agile procurement practices into the PMBOK. This will be a major step forward to helping with adoption of Agile at the Enterprise.

Dennis Stevens

Hi Dennis,

Thanks for your encouragement. You are right, it is an important area, not where I would have liked to start, but a starting point non the less. I might be contacting you for your insights if you are amenable.

Best Regards

Hello Mike,

Looks like we will be colleagues on the PMBOK-5 Content Team. This will be my third PMI standard -- worked on OPM3 and Program Management previously. Based on that experience, I expect that we'll have some spirited discussions and many exchanges of viewpoints leading to an outstanding product. Much is changing in the world of PM that I hope can be integrated into Edition 5. Looking forward to working with you and the rest of the team!


Hal Hunt, PMP
Ashburn, Virginia
(23 years managing projects in nine countries.)

Hi Hal,

Thanks for getting in touch and I look forward to working with you also. I did some work on PMBOK v3, but most of my agile related suggestions were not adopted, hopefully now the time is right. I really hope there are some spirited discussions and exchanges of views - I believe they are needed.


Sorry, Mike. I disagree completely! Agile is a methodology of software/project development. The last thing the PMBOK needs is to be hijacked into the IT world, in my opinion, and I come from the IT world. The one thing I have always liked about the PMBOK/PMI approach is its industry-agnosticism.

I believe that the more the PMP/PMBOK/PMI brand is yanked down the road of "IT-centricity" the less the brand will be of value to other project management endeavors. We have to be big-enough to realize that our way of thinking about project management does not mean that everyone must agree or even use.

I for one believe that the PMBOK/PMI should remain industry,method-agnostic. How would you feel if the manufacturing industry came up with Aglint/Scrap (a method/conditioning for managing projects that came out of the manufacturing discipline), and started trying to move the PMBOK/PMI towards their mindset or way of doing things?

Be careful what you wish for since it has a nasty way of coming around and biting you where it can hurt.


I wanted to at least reference my assertion that "agile is a methodology..." since I know I will probably be flamed for that statement, but here is the link for the basis of that assertion:


If this is not so then someone with Agile practice expertise needs to tell the world its not...

Take care,


Hi again PNanouk,

No need to apologise, it is OK to have different opinions and I agree the industry agnostic nature of the PMBOK is a great strength. There are many ways to work with the PMI and PMBOK to assist with industry focussed additions. The Extension to the PMBOK for the Construction industry is a great example that has not eroded the value of the PMBOK Guide.

I am not hoping to infuse the PMBOK Guide with IT specific content (that would not be useful anyway) rather to help explain that in some high change, high complexity domains the PMBOK concepts of progressive elaboration and rolling wave planning deserve elevated coverage. Also to consider some of the other emerging project management concepts from Kanban and Lean (which come from outside of software) but can also add great value in high change environments.

Best regards

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